The Building Blocks Of Dysfunction

July 25, 2007

From Dr Sanity, Paranoia and Projection In The Arab World: The Externalization Of Blame For Arab/Islamic Dysfunction:

They are indulging in group projection and paranoia–deliberately developed and encouraged by their dysfunctional leaders–in order to maintain their dysfunctional identity, as well as their dysfunctional political and pseudo-religous agenda.

There doesn’t seem to be any limit to the self-delusion that is rampant in the middle east.

Psychologically, it is very difficult to abandon a delusion, particularly when that delusion serves the purpose of accounting for an unacceptable status quo. For too long the so-called leaders in the Middle East have –in a manner similar to Jim Jones–been quenching the thirst of their people with poisoned Kool Aid. They have made it easy to believe that all their problems and troubles are caused by the Jews (or America or the West). Maintaining the delusional system and nourishing it regularly is crucial to their identity as individuals and as nations–otherwise it would be necessary to look inside their own hearts and souls for the underlying causes of their political, economic and spiritual stagnation…

…the Arab world is not really about pride…indeed, what do they have to be proud of? They have perverted beyond all recognition a religion that once upon a time could compete head-to-head with Christianity and Judaism in what it contributed to the whole of humanity. They long ago abandoned the ability to create, and now only possess the capacity to destroy. Their people live in poverty and oppression, controlled only by the belief that their situation is the fault of “the Jews” or America.

This is the legacy of psychological projection and paranoia. The unacceptable thoughts or feelings are denied (“not owned”) by the person or group experiencing them, and instead are projected onto another individual or–as in this case–a group (racism, anti-semitism etc. are all projections). Thus, the person who originally had the offensive thought or feeling becomes the helpless victim of the evil “other” and they do not have to cope with the fact that the evil lies wholly within themselves

Shrinkwrapped notes how continual Arab world dysfunction fuels the flame of never ending failure. In The Non-Sense Debate Over The NIE Estimate, he writes,

There are several points that must be kept in mind when debating whether our responses to 9/11 have worsened the terror threat or lessened the threat.  The worst point is that, again, almost nothing we have done or could do will meaningfully lessen the terror threat long term, until we decide to treat the threat as an existential threat, a point I will return to.

Jihadi extremism is a growing ideology.  Sunni extremism and Shia extremism are merely different manifestations of an underlying supremacist ideology which has grown in response to the failures of the Muslim world in the face of modernity.  Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, al Qaeda in Iraq are all different franchises and brand names.  Franchises are successful when there are markets for their products, consumers, and workers to support the enterprise.  Financial support, an eager population ready to consume the product, and an army of willing workers are all required for a franchise to thrive.  Al Qaeda, the McDonald’s of Islamism, and Hezbollah, the Burger King of Islamism, have been growing their franchises for years.  It is only post-9/11 that the West has begun to offer alternatives.  Unfortunately, the alternatives the West offers are completely incompatible with the cultures in which we are attempting to gain market share.  We offer Sushi (democracy backed by the US military) and Tofu burgers (Western “soft” power) and as a result find few takers.

The Muslim world contains a combustible mix that is amenable to Jihad and inimical to modern liberal capitalist democracy.  There is an extremely large cohort of young men with very little opportunity to achieve status, huge sums of money that have been generated by their parasitic perch on the primary source of the world’s energy supplies, a culture that supports a supremacist ideology, and an information environment that facilitates the spread of Jihad propaganda (See also Jihad: Sadistic Sexuality, for an excellent overview of the current day context of Jihadism, and of those who support and excuse the Jihadi agendas and ideologies).

It is with this mind, we are publishing A World Without Israel, by Josef Joffe:

Imagine that Israel never existed. Would the economic malaise and political repression that drive angry young men to become suicide bombers vanish? Would the Palestinians have an independent state? Would the United States, freed of its burdensome ally, suddenly find itself beloved throughout the Muslim world? Wishful thinking. Far from creating tensions, Israel actually contains more antagonisms than it causes.

Since World War II, no state has suffered so cruel a reversal of fortunes as Israel. Admired all the way into the 1970s as the state of “those plucky Jews” who survived against all odds and made democracy and the desert bloom in a climate hostile to both liberty and greenery, Israel has become the target of creeping delegitimization. The denigration comes in two guises. The first, the soft version, blames Israel first and most for whatever ails the Middle East, and for having corrupted U.S. foreign policy. It is the standard fare of editorials around the world, not to mention the sheer venom oozing from the pages of the Arab-Islamic press. The more recent hard version zeroes in on Israel’s very existence. According to this dispensation, it is Israel as such, and not its behavior, that lies at the root of troubles in the Middle East. Hence the “statocidal” conclusion that Israel’s birth, midwifed by both the United States and the Soviet Union in 1948, was a grievous mistake, grandiose and worthy as it may have been at the time.

The soft version is familiar enough. One motif is the “wagging the dog” theory. Thus, in the United States, the “Jewish lobby” and a cabal of neoconservatives have bamboozled the Bush administration into a mindless pro-Israel policy inimical to the national interest. This view attributes, as has happened so often in history, too much clout to the Jews. And behind this charge lurks a more general one—that it is somehow antidemocratic for subnational groups to throw themselves into the hurly-burly of politics when it comes to foreign policy. But let us count the ways in which subnational entities battle over the national interest: unions and corporations clamor for tariffs and tax loopholes; nongovernmental organizations agitate for humanitarian intervention; and Cuban Americans keep us from smoking cheroots from the Vuelta Abajo. In previous years, Poles militated in favor of Solidarity, African Americans against Apartheid South Africa, and Latvians against the Soviet Union. In other words, the democratic melee has never stopped at the water’s edge.

Another soft version is the “root-cause” theory in its many variations. Because the “obstinate” and “recalcitrant” Israelis are the main culprits, they must be punished and pushed back for the sake of peace. “Put pressure on Israel”; “cut economic and military aid”; “serve them notice that we will not condone their brutalities”—these have been the boilerplate homilies, indeed the obsessions, of the chattering classes and the foreign-office establishment for decades. Yet, as Sigmund Freud reminded us, obsessions tend to spread. And so there are ever more creative addenda to the well-wrought root-cause theory. Anatol Lieven of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace argues that what is happening between Israelis and Palestinians is a “tremendous obstacle to democratization because it inflames all the worst, most regressive aspects of Arab nationalism and Arab culture.” In other words, the conflict drives the pathology, and not the other way around—which is like the street fighter explaining to the police: “It all started when this guy hit back.”

The problem with this root-cause argument is threefold: It blurs, if not reverses, cause and effect. It ignores a myriad of conflicts unrelated to Israel. And it absolves the Arabs of culpability, shifting the blame to you know whom. If one believes former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter, the Arab-Islamic quest for weapons of mass destruction, and by extension the war against Iraq, are also Made in Israel. “[A]s long as Israel has nuclear weapons,” Ritter opines, “it has chosen to take a path that is inherently confrontational.…Now the Arab countries, the Muslim world, is not about to sit back and let this happen, so they will seek their own deterrent. We saw this in Iraq, not only with a nuclear deterrent but also with a biological weapons deterrent…that the Iraqis were developing to offset the Israeli nuclear superiority.”

This theory would be engaging if it did not collide with some inconvenient facts. Iraqis didn’t use their weapons of mass destruction against the Israeli usurper but against fellow Muslims during the Iran-Iraq War, and against fellow Iraqis in the poison-gas attack against Kurds in Halabja in 1988—neither of whom were brandishing any nuclear weapons. As for the Iraqi nuclear program, we now have the “Duelfer Report,” based on the debriefing of Iraqi regime loyalists, which concluded: “Iran was the pre-eminent motivator of this policy. All senior-level Iraqi officials considered Iran to be Iraq’s principal enemy in the region. The wish to balance Israel and acquire status and influence in the Arab world were also considerations, but secondary.”

Now to the hard version. Ever so subtly, a more baleful tone slips into this narrative: Israel is not merely an unruly neighbor but an unwelcome intruder. Still timidly uttered outside the Arab world, this version’s proponents in the West bestride the stage as truth-sayers who dare to defy taboo. Thus, the British writer A.N. Wilson declares that he has reluctantly come to the conclusion that Israel, through its own actions, has proven it does not have the right to exist. And, following Sept. 11, 2001, Brazilian scholar Jose Arthur Giannotti said: “Let us agree that the history of the Middle East would be entirely different without the State of Israel, which opened a wound between Islam and the West. Can you get rid of Muslim terrorism without getting rid of this wound which is the source of the frustration of potential terrorists?”

The very idea of a Jewish state is an “anachronism,” argues Tony Judt, a professor and director of the Remarque Institute at New York University. It resembles a “late-nineteenth-century separatist project” that has “no place” in this wondrous new world moving toward the teleological perfection of multiethnic and multicultural togetherness bound together by international law. The time has come to “think the unthinkable,” hence, to ditch this Jewish state for a binational one, guaranteed, of course, by international force.

So let us assume that Israel is an anachronism and a historical mistake without which the Arab-Islamic world stretching from Algeria to Egypt, from Syria to Pakistan, would be a far happier place, above all because the original sin, the establishment of Israel, never would have been committed. Then let’s move from the past to the present, pretending that we could wave a mighty magic wand, and “poof,” Israel disappears from the map.

Civilization of Clashes
Let us start the what-if procession in 1948, when Israel was born in war. Would stillbirth have nipped the Palestinian problem in the bud? Not quite. Egypt, Transjordan (now Jordan), Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon marched on Haifa and Tel Aviv not to liberate Palestine, but to grab it. The invasion was a textbook competitive power play by neighboring states intent on acquiring territory for themselves. If they had been victorious, a Palestinian state would not have emerged, and there still would have been plenty of refugees. (Recall that half the population of Kuwait fled Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein’s “liberation” of that country in 1990.) Indeed, assuming that Palestinian nationalism had awakened when it did in the late 1960s and 1970s, the Palestinians might now be dispatching suicide bombers to Egypt, Syria, and elsewhere.

Let us imagine Israel had disappeared in 1967, instead of occupying the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, which were held, respectively, by Jordan’s King Hussein and Egypt’s President Gamal Abdel Nasser. Would they have relinquished their possessions to Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat and thrown in Haifa and Tel Aviv for good measure? Not likely. The two potentates, enemies in all but name, were united only by their common hatred and fear of Arafat, the founder of Fatah (the Palestine National Liberation Movement) and rightly suspected of plotting against Arab regimes. In short, the “root cause” of Palestinian statelessness would have persisted, even in Israel’s absence.

Let us finally assume, through a thought experiment, that Israel goes “poof” today. How would this development affect the political pathologies of the Middle East? Only those who think the Palestinian issue is at the core of the Middle East conflict would lightly predict a happy career for this most dysfunctional region once Israel vanishes. For there is no such thing as “the” conflict. A quick count reveals five ways in which the region’s fortunes would remain stunted—or worse:

States vs. States: Israel’s elimination from the regional balance would hardly bolster intra-Arab amity. The retraction of the colonial powers, Britain and France, in the mid-20th century left behind a bunch of young Arab states seeking to redraw the map of the region. From the very beginning, Syria laid claim to Lebanon. In 1970, only the Israeli military deterred Damascus from invading Jordan under the pretext of supporting a Palestinian uprising. Throughout the 1950s and 1960s, Nasser’s Egypt proclaimed itself the avatar of pan-Arabism, intervening in Yemen during the 1960s. Nasser’s successor, President Anwar Sadat, was embroiled in on-and-off clashes with Libya throughout the late 1970s. Syria marched into Lebanon in 1976 and then effectively annexed the country 15 years later, and Iraq launched two wars against fellow Muslim states: Iran in 1980, Kuwait in 1990. The war against Iran was the longest conventional war of the 20th century. None of these conflicts is related to the Israeli-Palestinian one. Indeed, Israel’s disappearance would only liberate military assets for use in such internal rivalries.

Believers vs. Believers: Those who think that the Middle East conflict is a “Muslim-Jewish thing” had better take a closer look at the score card: 14 years of sectarian bloodshed in Lebanon; Saddam’s campaign of extinction against the Shia in the aftermath of the first Gulf War; Syria’s massacre of 20,000 people in the Muslim Brotherhood stronghold of Hama in 1982; and terrorist violence against Egyptian Christians in the 1990s. Add to this tally intraconfessional oppression, such as in Saudi Arabia, where the fundamentalist Wahhabi sect wields the truncheon of state power to inflict its dour lifestyle on the less devout.

Ideologies vs. Ideologies: Zionism is not the only “ism” in the region, which is rife with competing ideologies. Even though the Baathist parties in Syria and Iraq sprang from the same fascist European roots, both have vied for precedence in the Middle East. Nasser wielded pan-Arabism-cum-socialism against the Arab nation-state. And both Baathists and Nasserites have opposed the monarchies, such as in Jordan. Khomeinist Iran and Wahhabite Saudi Arabia remain mortal enemies. What is the connection to the Arab-Israeli conflict? Nil, with the exception of Hamas, a terror army of the faithful once supported by Israel as a rival to the Palestine Liberation Organization and now responsible for many suicide bombings in Israel. But will Hamas disband once Israel is gone? Hardly. Hamas has bigger ambitions than eliminating the “Zionist entity.” The organization seeks nothing less than a unified Arab state under a regime of God.

(See The SC&A Idiots Guide To Zionism: What It Is And Why It Matters and “What could Jews do to Arabs that their own dysfunctional political and religious leadership haven’t already done…“)

Reactionary Utopia vs. Modernity: A common enmity toward Israel is the only thing that prevents Arab modernizers and traditionalists from tearing their societies apart. Fundamentalists vie against secularists and reformist Muslims for the fusion of mosque and state under the green flag of the Prophet. And a barely concealed class struggle pits a minuscule bourgeoisie and millions of unemployed young men against the power structure, usually a form of statist cronyism that controls the means of production. Far from creating tensions, Israel actually contains the antagonisms in the world around it.

Regimes vs. Peoples: The existence of Israel cannot explain the breadth and depth of the Mukhabarat states (secret police states) throughout the Middle East. With the exceptions of Jordan, Morocco, and the Gulf sheikdoms, which gingerly practice an enlightened monarchism, all Arab countries (plus Iran and Pakistan) are but variations of despotism—from the dynastic dictatorship of Syria to the authoritarianism of Egypt. Intranational strife in Algeria has killed nearly 100,000, with no letup in sight. Saddam’s victims are said to number 300,000. After the Khomeinists took power in 1979, Iran was embroiled not only in the Iran-Iraq War but also in barely contained civil unrest into the 1980s. Pakistan is an explosion waiting to happen. Ruthless suppression is the price of stability in this region.

Again, it would take a florid imagination to surmise that factoring Israel out of the Middle East equation would produce liberal democracy in the region. It might be plausible to argue that the dialectic of enmity somehow favors dictatorship in “frontline states” such as Egypt and Syria—governments that invoke the proximity of the “Zionist threat” as a pretext to suppress dissent. But how then to explain the mayhem in faraway Algeria, the bizarre cult-of-personality regime in Libya, the pious kleptocracy of Saudi Arabia, the clerical despotism of Iran, or democracy’s enduring failure to take root in Pakistan? Did Israel somehow cause the various putsches that produced the republic of fear in Iraq? If Jordan, the state sharing the longest border with Israel, can experiment with constitutional monarchy, why not Syria?

It won’t do to lay the democracy and development deficits of the Arab world on the doorstep of the Jewish state. Israel is a pretext, not a cause, and therefore its dispatch will not heal the self-inflicted wounds of the Arab-Islamic world. Nor will the mild version of “statocide,” a binational state, do the trick—not in view of the “civilization of clashes” (to borrow a term from British historian Niall Ferguson) that is the hallmark of Arab political culture. The mortal struggle between Israelis and Palestinians would simply shift from the outside to the inside.

My Enemy, Myself
Can anybody proclaim in good conscience that these dysfunctionalities of the Arab world would vanish along with Israel? Two U.N. “Arab Human Development Reports,” written by Arab authors, say no. The calamities are homemade. Stagnation and hopelessness have three root causes. The first is lack of freedom. The United Nations cites the persistence of absolute autocracies, bogus elections, judiciaries beholden to executives, and constraints on civil society. Freedom of expression and association are also sharply limited. The second root cause is lack of knowledge: Sixty-five million adults are illiterate, and some 10 million children have no schooling at all. As such, the Arab world is dropping ever further behind in scientific research and the development of information technology. Third, female participation in political and economic life is the lowest in the world. Economic growth will continue to lag as long as the potential of half the population remains largely untapped.

Will all of this right itself when that Judeo-Western insult to Arab pride finally vanishes? Will the millions of unemployed and bored young men, cannon fodder for the terrorists, vanish as well—along with one-party rule, corruption, and closed economies? This notion makes sense only if one cherishes single-cause explanations or, worse, harbors a particular animus against the Jewish state and its refusal to behave like Sweden. (Come to think of it, Sweden would not be Sweden either if it lived in the Hobbesian world of the Middle East.)

Finally, the most popular what-if issue of them all: Would the Islamic world hate the United States less if Israel vanished? Like all what-if queries, this one, too, admits only suggestive evidence. To begin, the notion that 5 million Jews are solely responsible for the rage of 1 billion or so Muslims cannot carry the weight assigned to it. Second, Arab-Islamic hatreds of the United States preceded the conquest of the West Bank and Gaza. Recall the loathing left behind by the U.S.-managed coup that restored the shah’s rule in Tehran in 1953, or the U.S. intervention in Lebanon in 1958. As soon as Britain and France left the Middle East, the United States became the dominant power and the No. 1 target. Another bit of suggestive evidence is that the fiercest (unofficial) anti-Americanism emanates from Washington’s self-styled allies in the Arab Middle East, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Is this situation because of Israel—or because it is so convenient for these regimes to “busy giddy minds with foreign quarrels” (as Shakespeare’s Henry IV put it) to distract their populations from their dependence on the “Great Satan”?

Take the Cairo Declaration against “U.S. hegemony,” endorsed by 400 delegates from across the Middle East and the West in December 2002. The lengthy indictment mentions Palestine only peripherally. The central condemnation, uttered in profuse variation, targets the United States for monopolizing power “within the framework of capitalist globalization,” for reinstating “colonialism,” and for blocking the “emergence of forces that would shift the balance of power toward multi-polarity.” In short, Global America is responsible for all the afflictions of the Arab world, with Israel coming in a distant second.

This familiar tale has an ironic twist: One of the key signers is Nader Fergany, lead author of the 2002 U.N. Arab Human Development Report. So even those who confess to the internal failures of the Arab world end up blaming “the Other.” Given the enormity of the indictment, ditching Israel will not absolve the United States. Iran’s Khomeinists have it right, so to speak, when they denounce America as the “Great Satan” and Israel only as the “Little Satan,” a handmaiden of U.S. power. What really riles America-haters in the Middle East is Washington’s intrusion into their affairs, be it for reasons of oil, terrorism, or weapons of mass destruction. This fact is why Osama bin Laden, having attached himself to the Palestinian cause only as an afterthought, calls the Americans the new crusaders, and the Jews their imperialist stand-ins.

None of this is to argue in favor of Israel’s continued occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, nor to excuse the cruel hardship it imposes on the Palestinians, which is pernicious, even for Israel’s own soul. But as this analysis suggests, the real source of Arab angst is the West as a palpable symbol of misery and an irresistible target of what noted Middle East scholar Fouad Ajami has called “Arab rage.” The puzzle is why so many Westerners, like those who signed the Cairo Declaration, believe otherwise.

Is this anti-Semitism, as so many Jews are quick to suspect? No, but denying Israel’s legitimacy bears an uncanny resemblance to some central features of this darkest of creeds. Accordingly, the Jews are omnipotent, ubiquitous, and thus responsible for the evils of the world. Today, Israel finds itself in an analogous position, either as handmaiden or manipulator of U.S. might. The soft version sighs: “If only Israel were more reasonable…” The semihard version demands that “the United States pull the rug out from under Israel” to impose the pliancy that comes from impotence. And the hard-hard version dreams about salvation springing from Israel’s disappearance.

Why, sure—if it weren’t for that old joke from Israel’s War of Independence: While the bullets were whistling overhead and the two Jews in their foxhole were running out of rounds, one griped, “If the Brits had to give us a country not their own, why couldn’t they have given us Switzerland?” Alas, Israel is just a strip of land in the world’s most noxious neighborhood, and the cleanup hasn’t even begun.

Josef Joffe is the publisher of Die Zeit, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, and distinguished fellow at the Institute for International Studies, both at Stanford University.

52 Responses to “The Building Blocks Of Dysfunction”

  1. expat Says:

    Joffe was also co-editor of Die Zeit and published articles there that offered a balanced view of the world after 9/11. He was an exchange student in the US during high school and attended Swarthmore. He knows both sides of the Atlantic as well as anyone I know of. He does not retreat to utopia like many of his European colleagues. When he talks, he has something worthwhile to say.

    Thanks for reprinting his article.

  2. Buzz Kill Says:

    The Bush Presidency gives aid and comfort to our enemies.

    By Peter Baker
    Washington Post

    Updated: 2:55 a.m. PT July 25, 2007
    WASHINGTON – President Bush is a competitive guy. But this is one contest he would rather lose. With 18 months left in office, he is in the running for most unpopular president in the history of modern polling.

    The latest Washington Post-ABC News survey shows that 65 percent of Americans disapprove of Bush’s job performance, matching his all-time low. In polls conducted by The Post or Gallup going back to 1938, only once has a president exceeded that level of public animosity — and that was Richard M. Nixon, who hit 66 percent four days before he resigned.

    The historic depth of Bush’s public standing has whipsawed his White House, sapped his clout, drained his advisers, encouraged his enemies and jeopardized his legacy. Around the White House, aides make gallows-humor jokes about how they can alienate their remaining supporters — at least those aides not heading for the door. Outside the White House, many former aides privately express anger and bitterness at their erstwhile colleagues, Bush and the fate of his presidency.

    More here

  3. SC&A Says:

    What does opinion that have to do with Arab and Islamic dysfunctionality, failure and barbarism?

    In any event, it is a Democrat Congress that has a popularity rating barely above single digits.

    Try again.

  4. Buzz Kill Says:

    Ha! Thank you, I will:
    Funny you mention Congress. The next story:

    Updated: 8:41 p.m. PT July 23, 2007
    WASHINGTON – Most Americans see President George W. Bush as too inflexible on the war in Iraq and prefer that the Democratic-run Congress have the final word on when to withdraw U.S. forces, a Washington Post/ABC News poll showed on Monday.

    Nearly 80 percent of those polled said Bush is not willing enough to change policies over the unpopular war that has taken a huge toll on his approval ratings, the Post reported.

    The poll was conducted last week, after Senate Democrats failed to advance a plan that would force Bush to withdraw U.S. combat troops from Iraq by April 2008.

    More than six in 10 Americans — 62 percent — said Congress should have the final say on when to pull out U.S. forces, compared with 31 percent who said the decision should rest with Bush, the poll showed.

    A narrow majority, 55 percent, said they supported the proposed pullout plan, which the Senate may not consider again until after its August recess.

    The percentage of Americans seeing Bush as too rigid on Iraq has climbed 12 percentage points since December, the Post said.

    Find that here

    Don’t let Santy poison your mind.

  5. SC&A Says:

    What does opinion that have to do with Arab and Islamic dysfunctionality, failure and barbarism?

    In any event, it is a Democrat Congress that has a popularity rating barely above single digits.

    Try again.

  6. Buzz Kill Says:

    Robert Merton: not all parts of a modern, complex society work for the functional unity of society. Some institutions and structures may have other functions, and some may even be generally dysfunctional, or be functional for some while being dysfunctional for others. This is because not all structures are functional for society as a whole.

    The Bush Administration and Arab Radicals are BOTH dysfunctional codependents.

    They serve only their own selfish desires while abandoning, nay, betraying the populace they claim to support. The more the cost in lives and criminal acts rise, the more they vehemently defend their crusades as the only and “FINAL SOLUTION.”

    You should try again.
    Look for a different ideology. There is hope for you, Siggy. Find some nicer friends.

  7. SC&A Says:

    LOLOLOL

    Yes, the Arab and Islamic world is equal in every measure to to the US.

    That explains Arab world great successes.

  8. Buzz Kill Says:

    By the way, your repeated response, like all rw repeated responses, denies the very facts I left for you. Congress is more trusted by the American People than the dysfunctional Bush regime.

  9. Buzz Kill Says:

    “Yes, the Arab and Islamic world is equal in every measure to to the US.”

    All humans are created equal. And all have a right to life and peace.

    Don’t forget that.

    There is no place for racism and racial supremacy,

  10. SC&A Says:

    LOLOL

    You lie with such ease…

    Congressional approval is at 14%

    http://www.kxmb.com/News/Nation/141439.asp

  11. Buzz Kill Says:

    & you dodge every issue like a little minx.

  12. SC&A Says:

    LOLOLOL

    That’s nice Buzz…Now all you have to do is rid the Arab and Islamic world of instututionalized racism, bigotry and hate.

    How about we start with stopping the janjaweed in Darfur from murder and rape and stopping Arab slave traders in Mauritania? Does that work for you?

  13. SC&A Says:

    LOLOL

    You are just upset because you got caught lying again.

    Now wonder you are dancing again.

  14. Buzz Kill Says:

    The whole world would be a lot safer and more productive if we stopped the external finger pointed and set our own affairs in order.

    Islamic terrorism is a crime and should be stopped, but it did not develop in a vacuum. And the deaths dealt to the Arab world from the West are multiples of any damage they have or could return.

    Set the affairs of the criminal Whitehouse in order and establish diplomacy. Show the world the US is willing to be fair and not brutal and hegemonic.

    Then you will see the Arab world change. Not by force, by preference.

  15. SC&A Says:

    The Arab world is broken. Dr Sanity’s piece clearly explains that.

    No amount of blaming others will change that truth.

  16. Buzz Kill Says:

    Oh, and you are lying about me lying (as usual).

    What I said was backed up by the same published polls as you.

    People are fed up with the White House and a Congress which was OVERWHELMINGLY changed from Republican to Democrat in Nov 2006 to stop Bush.

    If Congress has lower numbers, according to your conservative, Right Wing Source (with Bill O’Reilly’s Face plastered right on the link), it is because the have not impeached these Losers yet.

  17. Buzz Kill Says:

    Dr. “Sanity” is an insane person with hate occupying every cell of her dead, black heart.

    She would have made a fine Nazi propagandist.

  18. SC&A Says:

    LOLOL- you really can’t help yourself! Lying really is second nature to you!

    “If the President feels bad about the nation’s opinion of him—a meager 25% of those surveyed in a June Gallup poll approve of Bush’s performance—all he needs to do is pick up that same poll and keep reading. According to Gallup, just 14% of people express confidence in the current Congress. That’s the lowest measure in the 34 years Gallup has been tracking government institutions.”

    It was a Gallup poll. As I noted, the Democrat Congress polls are worse than that of the WH.

    Dance Buzz, dance.

  19. Buzz Kill Says:

    And fighting racism with racism is a low breach of human decency. Santy should not know any better. Every day there is some assault of reason and basic humanity.

    You on the other hand are not sub-human. You should know better.

  20. SC&A Says:

    “Dr. “Sanity” is an insane person with hate occupying every cell of her dead, black heart.

    She would have made a fine Nazi propagandist.”

    I was going to reply, but you wield that shovel so well. Keep digging.

  21. Buzz Kill Says:

    No Siggy, you have do the jigging:

    “More than six in 10 Americans — 62 percent — said Congress should have the final say on when to pull out U.S. forces, compared with 31 percent who said the decision should rest with Bush, the poll showed.

    A narrow majority, 55 percent, said they supported the proposed pullout plan, which the Senate may not consider again until after its August recess.”

  22. SC&A Says:

    14% approval rating for this Democrat Congress.

    “According to Gallup, just 14% of people express confidence in the current Congress. That’s the lowest measure in the 34 years Gallup has been tracking government institutions.”

    Notwithstanding what people think of what Congress should or shouldn’t do, this Congress is a bust.

    In any event, time to shut this exchange down.

    Later, Buzz.

  23. Buzz Kill Says:

    “I was going to reply, but you wield that shovel so well. Keep digging.”

    There is no reply and no excuse. Truth is my shovel and the pit I dig is to bury Santy racism.

  24. apocryphaeon Says:

    Sorry to butt into the argument, but I have a few questions for Buzz Kill:

    If a member of the KKK used his Christian beliefs to justify killing a “mongrel” African American, who would you blame?
    Would it be Christianity’s fault? America’s? George Bush’s?
    Or would it be the fault of a man, and a community, who use a religious faith as an excuse to hate others? Would you blame the African American for existing, and thereby provoking the Klansman’s anger?

    If a man murders an abortion doctor because he claims it is what God wanted him to do, to whom would you direct your anger? Would you be angry at the abortion doctor for performing the abortions that angered the shooter?

    Obviously, you know where I am going with this. At what point will you be willing to actually affix blame to those who commit acts of terror and murder, and stop attempting to blame the ones who are trying to fight them?

    And what do polls and approval ratings have to do with Dr. Sanity’s article? What does Bush’s approval rating have to do with anything? If Bush’s numbers were around 85%, would you agree with him then? More importantly, would that make the Islamist terrorists stop hating us?

    And, last but not least, how do you accuse Dr. Sanity , someone who supports the Jews in Israel, of being a Nazi?!

  25. apocryphaeon Says:

    I also would like to commend Dr. Sanity on a very well-thought-out and coherent commentary on the current state of affairs in the Middle East.

  26. Buzz Kill Says:

    And if a president invades a country not because they pose a threat or even because it suits exxon and halliburton, but because he answer to a “Higher Father,” who do you blame? The Iraqis?

    I went to your blog, Friar.

    You’re a kook. Irrational. Calm down, drink some chamomile tea or something and try to talk like a sane person, not rant like a loony.

    The whole country has been divided into another civil war like we see in Iraq.

    SOME FORCE wants every one at every one else’s throat. I don’t HATE conservatives the way you hate liberals.

    You’re a tool. A device in someone else’s hands. GET A GRIP! Be your own person.

    Maybe Siggy can see you for some therapy.

  27. Buzz Kill Says:

    “And what do polls and approval ratings have to do with Dr. Sanity’s article? What does Bush’s approval rating have to do with anything? If Bush’s numbers were around 85%, would you agree with him then? More importantly, would that make the Islamist terrorists stop hating us?”

    This is a very stupid question. See if you can answer it before you make me answer it for you.

  28. apocryphaeon Says:

    Wow! I don’t think I’ve been called a “tool” since the 11th grade.
    Why am I so irrational? Did you read my comments in response to Dr. Sanity’s article on ideological narcissism? Did you find that to be kooky and irrational?

    Where did I say I “hate liberal”? Or anyone else for that matter?

    Take it easy! You’re killing my buzz!

  29. apocryphaeon Says:

    “SOME FORCE wants every one at every one else’s throat.”

    And you seem happy to oblige

  30. Buzz Kill Says:

    “Wow! I don’t think I’ve been called a “tool” since the 11th grade.”

    Wow! It still applies. I guess you did not learn much in 11th grade.

    “Where did I say I “hate liberal”?”
    Read your own site. Tool applies.

    #1. Like Siggy, you are mostly an echo chamber for Santy. She leads, you follow.

    TOOL.

    #2. When you open posts with “Beyond the overwhelming, mind-blowing, stomach-churning hypocrisy of Harry Reid and his Democratic colleagues….”

    You leave little doubt.

    TOOL!

    It applies. How Christian can you be with all that hate? Is Jesus the Prince of Hate? Or do you have a different faith?

    Nevermind.

  31. Buzz Kill Says:

    Anyway, since you are a new blogger, there is a possibility that you are not a complete ideologue yet. I am glad you do not hate “dems.”

    And I hope you will remain open to rational debate and not make the US another Ramallah, Baghdad, …..

  32. apocryphaeon Says:

    Buzz Kill, I’ll respond once I remove your proverbial hands from my throat…

  33. apocryphaeon Says:

    …ah…there, that’s better.
    Now, where was I. Well, for starters, I still want you to quote me on exactly where I said “I HATE liberals.” There is a difference between disgust or repugnance, and hatred.

    Also, are you a Christian? Because it’s necessary for Christians to hate the sin but not the sinner. I don’t hate Harry Reid, or Teddy Kennedy, or Nancy Pelosi, or any of the “dems” (or “repubs”). I AM extremely sceptical and dubious about what they stand for, because the things that they do and say do make my stomach churn sometimes.

    I ask if you are a Christian because you presume to know a lot about what Christians believe.

    And seriously, let’s try to keep the debate above the 6th grade level.

    Finally, I am open to RATIONAL debate. And I am a new blogger, so you’ll pardon me for not being up to date with the rules of decorum, and for not knowing who the heck Santy is (my apologies to Santy).

  34. apocryphaeon Says:

    Oh, wait a second…”Santy” is short for Dr. Sanity. Got it. Nevermind.

  35. apocryphaeon Says:

    oh and Buzz Kill, please feel free to respond to any of my posts on my spanking new blog. I’ve been feeling left out (just like 11th grade *SOB*)

  36. Buzz Kill Says:

    There is a very THIN LINE between physical repulsion and Hate. You want to make that distinction and hold me to it?

    Fine.

    Then you can stop pretending that I would even contemplate strangling you.

    We’re talking approximates here. Don’t hold me to the letter and then play loose.

  37. Buzz Kill Says:

    And you should be prepared to answer to religious questions on a blog called Friar Thom with a URL referring to secret scripture. ( or whatever.)

    Again, try to be consistent.

  38. apocryphaeon Says:

    “Then you can stop pretending that I would even contemplate strangling you.”

    Hence the term “proverbial”

    “And you should be prepared to answer to religious questions on a blog called Friar Thom with a URL referring to secret scripture. ( or whatever.)”

    If you have a religious question, I’d be happy to hear it. I’ll do my best to answer it. And you can answer all of my questions about how to abruptly halt inebriation. (or whatever)

    Good night.

  39. apocryphaeon Says:

    ps -

    “There is a very THIN LINE between physical repulsion and Hate. You want to make that distinction and hold me to it?”

    As I said, it is the ideas and positions that repulse me, not the individuals themselves. In my mind, that’s a pretty big distinction. I love some of my friends dearly, but I really am repulsed by what some of them believe.

  40. ErisDysnomia Says:

    Hebreophobia is perhaps a better word for today’s anti-Israel sickness than anti-Semitism.

    By the way, Buzz Kill, you have a lot of opinions about Dr. Santy’s psychiatry-based analyses. What, exactly, are your medical credentials? How do you justify calling a trained, experienced psychiatrist “crazy?”

    You’re clearly not a doctor. You’re probably not even a used car salesman. You’re a nothing.

  41. Buzz Kill Says:

    Actually, I did sell cars many years ago. It was an interesting experience.

    Eris, do you know any stable psychiatrists that are also obsessive racist? Someone who writes daily hateful rants about liberal politician and “dysfunctional” arabs?

    Did she get into psychiatry because she is a humanitarian who loves people?

    LOL. Yeah….

    I just know I would never trust such a psychiatrist and those NASA astro-naughts that were under her treatment are now a mess. Lisa Nowak? Hello….

  42. SC&A Says:

    Buzz..you are the LAST person to be talking about racist crap!

    As for dysfunctional Arabs, the jury has been in on that for a while now. Arab world writers, journalists, et al (who of course aren’t as smart as you) have long been in concurrence. To submit that the Arab world is anything bust dysfunctional is absurd.

    Lastly, as you know, Dr Sanity had nothing to do with Nowak. You tried that silliness before.

    Why the deliberate lies about Santy, Buzz? What is it that compels you to lie?

  43. southern gal Says:

    Honestly, I fail to see the connection between anybody’s popularity polls and the subject of this article, which said nothing about democrats, republicans, et al. In fact, its only passing reference was to America’s role as the “Great Satan” in Islamic ideology and that the Arabic nations hate us even more than Israel, even when they’re depending on our aid for their very survival. (A similar confrontation to that between North and South Korea; the North still threatening the South even when South Korea is supplying emergency supplies because they have no funding for natural disasters because of their weapons program, but I digress. Also, the forcibly closed borders that prohibit Israeli foodstuffs and other supplies from reaching Palestinians, thus ensuring that many Palestinians will starve and their businesses suffer economic depression, on the offchance that it will affect the Israeli economy. Reminds me of a four year old who throws a tantrum and refuses to eat his dinner to make his parents sorry, frankly.)

    Another point I think should be discussed is that Islam has from the beginning advocated forcible conversion and annihilation of any unbelievers. Mohammed himself set this example when he took the city of Mecca by force, and summarily executed every man (and their families) who refused to convert to Islam on the spot. This pattern marks the entire early spread of Islam throughout the Arabic nations. Getting rid of Israel will not solve this problem; as many of the more extreme believers have said, they are willing to kill as many as it takes to unite the world in Islam. Not all believers of Islam hold to this doctrine, but enough do to make them a threat to any non-Muslim in their path. They’re also a threat to any Muslim in their path, as they are more than willing to kill others of their own faith if they feel it will facilitate the spread of Islam or of Islamic power.

    Finally, I have to agree with Dr. Sanity in that focusing hatred on Israel is a form of projection. The Arabic nations, once the world’s leaders in philosophy, mathematics, technology, and architecture (following the fall of the Roman Empire), have not contributed anything significant to the world’s society in over 500 years. There have been no major breathroughs, no major philosophers and designers. Their culture seems to have stagnated; this stagnation is marked by a high number of illiterate and uneducation people in the general populace. The people are no less capable than those of any other society, but many are denied the tools that they need to reach their full potential. No such trend is exhibited among Muslims in countries such as Great Britain or the United States, where they have access to education at any level (though not always easily obtained); it is purely in the Middle East that they wallow in a quagmire of illiteracy. And when a person cannot meet their full potential due to society, I am sure it engenders bitter feelings and feelings of inadequacy-feelings only assuaged by using physical force to brutalize women, children, and others in an effort to feel superior. Brutalization runs rampant in the Middle East, and I feel that this is strongly connected to their illiteracy.

  44. Louis Charbonneau Says:

    SC&A, one of these days, you should do an analysis on the psychology of trolls. It is a mystery to me to see how some people will engage in name-calling and demonization of the other in the vain hope of making a point. There must be some kind of anal-stage fixation in taking pleasure in going to someone’s web site and copiously soiling it with one’s feces – no matter how irrelevant defecation is to cogent argumentation. Maybe, like infants, they see some kind of ectoplasmic transcendency in caca which would totally elude a normal adult.

    However, let me raise an issue that this abject troll, to my opinion, was attempting to make in his own stupid and dysfunctional way. It concerns the term “dysfunctional”. To leftists, of course all value judgments – and ipso facto all psychotherapy – are verboten since they involve a judgment of some sort. This is, if I remember correctly, the argument Foucault was making in his “Histoire de la Folie” (must have read it 20 years ago). Hence the insults and the demonization.

    However, it is also true to state that what may be dysfunctional in a context may be functional in another. For instance, the absurd refusal of the West to defend itself – and all the PC crap – is clearly dysfunctional, and Arabs do not therefore have the monopoly on dysfunction…

    What may clarify this discussion – and I’ll leave that to you – is a statement of what exactly psychologists mean when they use the word “dysfunctional”; a statement that would involve as little cultural content as possible.

    If I were to hazard my own definition of dysfunctionalty, I would say that it would be defined by a persistent and voluntary disconnection between one’s beliefs and one’s own best interest, defined in the biological or social sense. According to this definition, however, some degree of dysfunctionalyty would be unescapable.

  45. ErisDysnomia Says:

    Buzz Kill Says: “Actually, I did sell cars many years ago. It was an interesting experience.”

    Well, it’s great to hear about your career apogee.

    “Eris, do you know any stable psychiatrists that are also obsessive racist? Someone who writes daily hateful rants about liberal politician and “dysfunctional” arabs?”

    Buzz Kill, do you know any functional civilizations who do things like this?

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

    I urge every reader here to visit the URL above.

    In the meantime, Buzz Kill, Dr Santy is a physician and you are a nothing. I doubt you’ll ever be able to change that. They don’t take nothings into medical school.

  46. Buzz Kill Says:

    Eris -

    You are not a “nothing.” You are definitely a something. I just think it would be really really rude to say what that something is.

    Enough said.

  47. TDK Says:

    Isn’t it possible to say that Nazi Germany was dysfunctional without saying that Germans are dysfunctional?

    In other words I do not read Dr Sanity as saying that Arabs are innately incapable of a decent society, just that the current political structures/cultural mores prevent such a society from emerging.

  48. apocryphaeon Says:

    I checked out http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks.

    I am speechless…

  49. SC&A Says:

    I have said many times that I do not blame the Arabs for the position they find themselves in.

    That said, after being force fed a diet a racism, bigotry hate and dysfunction for generations, there is no question they are a broken people.

    I have noted that “The Arab world is not fighting for freedom and democracy. They are fighting to retain the values of oppression, tyranny and dysfunction. There is so much self hatred of what they have come to stand for, that they are willing to blow themselves up in the process. Subconsciously, they must know what they are fighting to preserve and how they are fighting, is repulsive to any decent, civilized and religious adherent of any faith.”

    Dysfunctional societies and cultures cannot produce functional human beings, because they have been rendered morally impotent by tyrannical leaders that care only about their own best interests.

    “When nations that are that are led by or are under the influence of tyrants or dictators, attempt to justify those actions, we can rightly assume that justification is false. Tyrants and dictators do not make moral choices, because moral choices can only lead to the demise of the tyranny.

    Anyone that comes to the defense of tyrannical regimes and their leaders, have themselves made a conscious choice to defend and stand by what is immoral.

    It really is that simple.”

  50. expat Says:

    Siggy,

    I just read a report in FOCUS (mainstream German weekly) about the arrests of four connected with a mosque in Perugia. In addition to thousands of terrorist downloads on their computers, the plans for a Boeing 747, and chemicals in the basement of the mosque, investigators also reported that the imam told school kids to spit on their non-muslim fellow students and to beat them til they bled. Non-muslims go to hell. Even when non-muslims do better in school, muslims are strong.

    Imagine how this message goes down in an insecure immigrant population. Among my other reactions, I call this child abuse. How can children subjected to this kind of influence ever be whole and healthy?

    They have arrested this imam, but how many more are there and how many more children are being abused as we discuss?


  51. [...] days ago Siggy wrote a most excellent post on Arab/Islamic/Lefty dysfunction, putting forth the idea of ‘if Israel never existed, would [...]

  52. southern gal Says:

    Excellent point, expat. Part of this ideologies power is that these children do nothing but eat, drink, and breath Islam ideology. Their dreams and goals are not nourished in a healthy manner; rather, they are taught to dream of belittling, insulting, beating, maiming, and killing the infidel. Ironically, even if every person alive converted to Islam, the bloodshed would not stop; they’ve enough warring factions to prove that now.


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