Will Obama Apologize To Qaeda? To Surviving Nazis? The LA Times Wants To Know

July 29, 2008

From The American Spectator:

Does Barack Obama believe it’s time for America to apologize to al Qaeda?

Does he share the increasingly vocal calls of his fellow liberals that Americans should not just apologize to Osama and his followers but pay reparations as well? Having cited the U.S. treatment of Nazis, does he now believe the U.S. government should be subjected to a class action suit by his trial lawyer allies on behalf of any surviving Nazi soldiers or their descendants?

You think I’m joking, right? Wrong.

The push has begun among Obama’s fellow-liberals for reparations to Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda warriors. Look no further than the Los Angeles Times review of the new book by liberal journalist Jane Mayer, The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How The War on Terror Turned Into a War on American Ideals. Mayer’s indictment of the Bush administration’s fight against terrorism has predictably received glowing reviews from the gatekeepers of liberalism, including a July 15th review from Times staff writer Tim Rutten.

In wonderfully liberal style that is beyond parody, Rutten uses a book review to endorse the idea of paying money to Osama’s fighters who, in the eyes of liberals, have been denied their “right” of habeas corpus at Guantanamo. The denial of habeas to non-Americans captured on foreign battlefields is, of course, also a major campaign point for Senator Obama. Obama, restating his long-held position about captured al Qaeda fighters having the right of habeas corpus, was prompted by the recent 5-4 Supreme Court decision in Boumediene v. Bush. The liberals on the Court, with the mind-boggling addition of Reagan appointee Anthony Kennedy, held that contrary to Bush administration and congressional policy, not to mention all of American history, the prisoners of war or “detainees” picked up off the battlefields (in this case Afghanistan and Iraq) are in fact entitled to the same constitutional rights as American citizens.

Within weeks of this Obama-approved decision, his allies in liberalism have now started lobbying not simply for habeas corpus rights for al Qaeda but reparations as well. They believe American taxpayers should pay monetary damages to bin Laden terrorists, with Mr. Rutten of the Times approvingly citing the liberal editors of the Jesuit magazine America: The National Catholic Weekly. In their July 21st issue these presumed Obama supporters say this:
Finally, in the years ahead our country must still come to grips with our national acquiescence to the politics of fear, which has led to the detention and abuse of hundreds of individuals. Among the necessary steps will be restoration of freedom to innocent detainees, accompanied by public apology and some monetary restitution for the years they lost to incarceration. Furthermore, Congress needs to accept responsibility for its complicity with the executive in laws that denied suspects rightful appeal. A national truth commission should be instituted to establish political accountability for the decisions, policies and statutes that placed suspects outside the protection of the law.

In other words, if you have been captured on the field of battle fighting the U.S. military on behalf of the global jihad and, as a result, are now on an extended stay at Gitmo, liberals feel the appropriate policy of the United States government is to 1) apologize for capturing you and 2) pay you some cold American cash to ease your pain and humiliation.

This sentiment is the obvious next step behind the Obama contention that foreign enemies are deserving of the same constitutional rights as American citizens. To the extensive applause of liberals like Ms. Mayer and Mr. Rutten, Obama has insisted that the “principle of habeas corpus, that a state can’t just hold you for any reason without charging you and without giving you any kind of due process — that’s the essence of who we are.” Exhibiting a considerable ignorance of American history, he went on by saying:
“I mean, you remember during the Nuremberg trials, part of what made us different was even after these Nazis had performed atrocities that no one had ever seen before, we still gave them a day in court and that taught the entire world about who we are but also the basic principles of rule of law. Now the Supreme Court upheld that principle….”

Unsurprisingly Obama’s rehash of American treatment of German POWs is flatly wrong. Around 200 German war crimes defendants went on trial in what most people commonly refer to as the “Nuremberg Trials,” with another 1,600 tried under the laws governing military justice. All these trials, of course, took place after the German surrender in May of 1945. None occurred during the war itself. The trials ran from 1945 until 1949.

The obvious question never seems to occur to Obama. If America’s only problem was with a sum total of about 1,800 German soldiers, why all that disturbing fuss known as World War II? What happened to all the Germans who weren’t killed outright when they were captured on the battlefields of Europe and North Africa as al Qaeda fighters are being captured now in Afghanistan or Iraq? And what about all the captured Italians and Japanese who were busily fighting America in the 1940s?

TO BE SPECIFIC, almost a half million of them were brought to America. Once here they were stashed in 511 internment camps sprinkled all around the good old USA from North Carolina to Iowa to California. And no, I’m not talking about or including here FDR’s infamous internment camps for 120,000 Japanese-American citizens, who did indeed have their constitutional rights violated. We’re talking about captured Nazis, Italians and Japanese — warriors on the battlefield for Hitler, Tojo and Mussolini, the bin Laden’s of their day. From the viewpoint of the L.A. Times’ Rutten and Jane Mayer, that would mean these people were imprisoned in 511 “American gulags,” not just one measly Gitmo. Not a single one of these men were given their habeas corpus rights. They were not tried. Not one. They were held as prisoners, forced to do whatever labor their American captors thought suitable until America had won the war.

Forced labor was their lot. Like the case of a German POW known to history only as “Hans” who was made to load and unload trucks at the E.G. Morse Poultry house in Mason City, Iowa. Hour after hour, day after day, with no lawyer from the ACLU to come to his rescue and no Jane Mayer to write him up sympathetically, young Hans was forced to do the backbreaking labor American men weren’t around to do because they were overseas fighting Germans. Then there was the young German who signed himself in a note to an American girl only as “R.” “R” was frustrated that his status “thwarts all my plans” and described what he called his “instantaneous dead life here.” “R” was in this vicious state of affairs because the Roosevelt administration had him doing his forced labor at a cannery in Owatonna, Minnesota.

Then there was “Jerry.” Whether that was really his name or he identified himself as such because it was the American slang for Germans is not known. How did “Jerry” find himself in the wilds of Fairmont, Minnesota? He was captured in North Africa where he was trying to kill Americans as a member of Nazi General Erwin Rommel’s murderous Afrika Corps. Did I mention that “Jerry” was crying at his sad state one particular day that he was standing in downtown Fairmont during a momentary pause in his labors? It seems the day in question was June 6, 1944. Minnesotans in Fairmont were listening to radio accounts of D-Day and the fierce fighting that was in progress as American soldiers sought to break the iron grip “Jerry’s” fellow countrymen had imposed on all of Europe. Jerry’s tears, of course, were not being shed for the Americans charging those beaches. Beaches where, according to the D-Day Museum, almost 7,000 Americans were lost that June 6th as they fought the followers of a zealot obsessed with mass murdering Jews and establishing a thousand year Reich.

Quite aside from these “American gulags” in America were the American gulags in Europe and North Africa. The number of prisoners, according to General Dwight Eisenhower, was almost overwhelming. There were a quarter million Axis prisoners that had to be dealt with in Tunisia alone. The Battle of the Bulge all by itself produced German prisoners at the rate of 10,000 a day. Here’s this from the late historian Stephen Ambrose, an Eisenhower biographer, in a 1991 article in the New York Times:
There was widespread mistreatment of German prisoners in the spring and summer of 1945. Men were beaten, denied water, forced to live in open camps without shelter, given inadequate food rations and inadequate medical care. Their mail was withheld. In some cases prisoners made a “soup” of water and grass in order to deal with their hunger. Men did die needlessly and inexcusably.

This, of course, on top of the fact that none of these hundreds of thousands of Nazi “detainees” were told of their habeas corpus rights by Allied troops.

So now what? Sixty-three years have passed. Isn’t it time make amends to the Nazis?

WILL OBAMA, MAYER and Rutten have the courage to follow their arguments to their logical conclusions? If the idea is to have American taxpayers fork over damages to Osama’s men, why not Hitler’s? Where are the trial lawyers who have been flocking to Guantanamo? The size of the damage pot in a suit against the U.S. government for the treatment of Nazis would, one suspects, be considerable. Not to mention that many of the men in these “American gulags” doubtless have descendants who should, according to this line of thought, be recompensed for the horrors visited upon their families by America and the “men of zeal” (Mayer’s favorite phrase for the Bush-Cheney administration) led by Franklin Roosevelt.

Amazingly, Mayer isn’t satisfied with just ensuring that al Qaeda fighters get their day in court. Doubtless uncomprehendingly (one would hope) she chastises Abraham Lincoln for his “infamous” decision to suspend the right of habeas corpus during the Civil War. One can only be stunned at the use of the word “infamous” here. As written, she leaves the impression she would just as soon, with a sigh of resignation, accept the existence of slavery rather than impose on the rights of white Confederate sympathizers Lincoln saw as a serious impediment to his objectives of preserving the Union and ending slavery. Her sentiments, while startling 143 years after the war ended, are a reminder of the “dark side” exhibited by the Democrats of the day. Not only did they violently object to Lincoln’s actions, in 1864 they ran on a platform that proclaimed the war a failure. In short, supporters of slavery before the war (and instigators of the Ku Klux Klan and segregation after the war) were prepared to accept slavery for blacks as long as the white folks had their habeas. Is this the logic Mayer, Rutten — and more to the point Obama — are endorsing?

To be blunt, yes.

What is the difference between, say, German detainees Hans, “R,” and Jerry and an al Qaeda Gitmo resident named Abdullah Salih al Ajmi? The first three remained lawyerless while they waited out World War II in Iowa and Minnesota. The last, Abdullah, went through Gitmo’s thoroughly lawyered process and was released. On March 23, 2008, he showed up in Mosul, Iraq, when he drove a truck packed with 5,000 to 10,000 pounds of explosives into an Iraqi Army base. He killed 13 Iraqi soldiers and wounded 42 on his last mission, a mission that would never have occurred were he still in Gitmo.

Are mistakes made in war? Obviously, yes. No one would ever be foolish enough to deny it — whether in this war or any other. It is, as history sadly says, the nature of the beast. Should the now out-in-the open liberal demand for reparations to al Qaeda be an issue in this campaign? Should the thinking behind it be exposed and understood? One would hope that Senator McCain, the only man in this race who actually has seen war close up, would raise the subject.

Is it really okay with Obama that Americans pay damages to Osama?

7 Responses to “Will Obama Apologize To Qaeda? To Surviving Nazis? The LA Times Wants To Know”


  1. [...] to Supreme Court Grounds Wolf Howling has the flying pig report! Sigmund, Carl, and Alfred: Will Obama Apologize to Qaeda? Weasel Zippers: Do you want fries with that? Jake Tapper: Fact Checking Obama! The Strat-Sphere: [...]

  2. CKA in Red State USA Says:

    Will Obama apologize to America? If so, when?

  3. Peter Slovik Says:

    You are mixing apples and oranges here. The Germans were prisoners of war ‘with rights’, all known and agreed upon internationally. The rules of war say that if you expect to be treated as a POW you must:

    1. Wear a uniform or a mark on your clothing that can be seen at a distance.
    2. Carry your weapons openly.
    3. Have a defined hierarchy of command so that they can be held responsible for atrocities, etc.
    4. Follow the accepted rules of war.

    The Gitmo Guys (GG) qualify under none of the above so they are enemy combatants and, in not playing the game, have no rights what so ever. I believe that they can be shot out of hand on the battlefield as vermin but since intelligence information is trump in a terrorist war they needed to be pumped and vacuumed for information; hence Gitmo.

    I don’t have anymore feeling for these men than I would a piss ant stepped on while crossing the sidewalk but I do have a great deal of feeling for my country and the course of action she takes. That being said I do not see any good coming of just locking people up forever, enemy combatants or not.

    This is another area where the Bush administration failed to think things through. It should have been foreseen that we would, sooner or later, have people like this under our control and it should have been cleared ahead of time or very shortly after 9/11 that military tribunals would try their cases. Aside from the fact that these tribunals were and are more than these men might demand by right they are quite fair would have been up to the job of meting out justice. But now, instead, here we are with the whole mess.

    As far as apologies and reparations, politically, I think that’s the best idea I’ve ever heard of. We should pay them all a hundred million each, honorary citizenship and degrees from Haavad and give them homes next to the homes of… let’s see, how about next to senator Kennedy… H. Reid and N. Palosie? How about including a herd of a hundred camels so that if out of sight multiculturally they won’t ever be out of sound or smell.

    The American people need to finally get their craw full of what Liberalism has become and this is the best filler I’ve ever seen.

  4. expat Says:

    Peter,

    The problem is that no one in the international community will stick his or her neck out to support any system we come up with. Neither civil law or POW conventions fit the situation, but this fact is not recognized internationally. No one will explain this to constituencies that need to feel morally superior and think that Amnesty International is the ultimate source of righteousness. The world expects us to solve its problems without causing them the slightest bit of moral uncertainty–not even by having an honest debate. Yet without some sort of international consensus, any system we come up with will be criticized and the idiots of the world will continue to devise new schemes to perfect us and absolve us of our sins.

    I think you are mistaken in saying that we should have foreseen the problem. Probably some did, but most likely they felt they had bigger problems to deal with first. Besides, we would have been criticized for preemtively gutting the Geneva Conventions.

  5. Peter Slovik Says:

    Expat,

    Thank you for your reply but I must insist that a final disposition in a court of those who would be captured in this war had to have been addressed very early on. Once they had had their trial or should I say court marshal—and if I may say again; more than they had any right to–it would have been a whole lot more difficult for anyone to have raised civilian ‘issues’. As it was handled by the administration it was a problem left to fester for seven long years until some lawyer finally fiddled us into this worst case situation.

    My reading is that Geneva does not cover these men. I would be happy to be instructed differently.

    As far as international criticism I must refer you to, “Sticks and Stones may… “. European’s moral high ground? Rather,I would suggest ‘pimple’. Europeans badly need a trip down memory lane. Three of the biggest ‘Disneylands of Murder’ the world has ever known were spawned by said continent: Fascism, Communism and Nazism. Not only did Europeans not stop these régimes from coming to power, but once in power, European resistance consisted of whimpering and hand-wringing. They are so enamored of the latter that it is a wonder that they have any hands left at the end of their arms.

    Presently, they are busy little bees undoing all the freedoms wrought by the Enlightenment. Freedom of speech seems to have lost its value in the European mind if someone can claim their ‘feelings were hurt’.

    It seems forgotten that three times in the last century this country pulled European chestnuts (Nuts? Perhaps poppy seeds!) from the fire. But allow me to pose these questions to you. What was ‘the’ seminal event of the 18th century… 19th… 20th and what appears to be shaping up to be the seminal mover in the 21st?

  6. expat Says:

    Peter,

    Please don’t intrepret my remarks to mean that I think criticism by the Europeans is justified or shouldn’t be countered. No one is more disgusted by their hypocrisy than I am. I hear it constantly on TV and read it in their papers.

    My line of thought was that European approval is so important to to those idiots who think in terms of reparations and that there was never any way we would get that. There will always be an Irene Khan disapproving of what we do, and the Obama’s of the world will cater to them to “regain our lost respect.” Had we had an excellent tribunal sytem from day 1, the Blame-America-Firsters would have found another source of outrage.

  7. Headless Unicorn Guy Says:

    My line of thought was that European approval is so important… — Expat

    Approval from countries and peoples that will all be going under the halal slaughter knives in another generation or two?


Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

Follow

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 52 other followers