Deceit, Denial And Dances

June 18, 2007

The author of People’s Geography and ourselves have been having a conversation in the comments section of our post, The Israeli Beast. We decided it was time to ‘share the joy.’

The author of People’s Geography believes the Palestinian beasts that support and engage in terror are being ‘mistreated’ by the Jews of Israel. She is of the belief that the Palestinians are are at once noble beasts with a noble cause and at the same time, she portrays the Palestinians (and for that matter, the Arabs, as hapless and hopeless victims of the Jews, the west and of course, America. She goes to mighty lengths to present her drivel as credible, obfuscating reality and never quite addressing the real issues and the problems. She likes to believe she handles the ‘argument’ but of course, her glorification of both the noble beast and the tragic victim at the same time, is intellectual hollowness.

The arguments would be persuasive if they contained an ounce of truth. She knows this- and thus deceit and half truth are her preferred method of argument. Even when caught in a lie, she shrugs her shoulders and refuses to acknowledge her own deceit. Like the Palestinians caught ‘speaking with forked tongue,’ she shrugs her shoulder and moves on to yet more deceit. She believes that quoting others, her positions are validated, not on the merits- but by virtue of quotes she finds agreeable.

We thought we’d bring the conversation forward.

Any effort, no matter how ferocious, to equate the Israelis with the Palestinians in any context, moral or otherwise is utter claptrap.

People’s Geography has noted that we did not address all the points she made in her various comments. That is true. We are certainly under no obligation to address all the blatant distortions and deliberate deceit.

PG piously declared that Hamas, dedicated to the destruction of Israel (and Jews) recently had an about face and recognized Israel’s right to exist. This outrageous lie, designed to somehow advance the idea that Hamas is no longer the bestial, and proud Nazi-like bigoted and racist organization,  is clearly a lie.

Hamas went to great pains to deny even the possibility of Israel’s right to nationhood. The Hamas charter is very clear on the subject.

“Israel will exist and continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”

Hamas Charter Article 13 makes clear what PG so desperately wants to hide:

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors…

Every idea propagated by by the author of People’s Geography is predicated on the blatant lie that Hamas was not the racist and bigoted organization it is. PG is intent on assigning the bona fides of civilized society on an organization that is no different than the Ku Klux Klan or the Nazi Party. PG’s alliances and preferences are clear. In her world, Hamas, the Ku Klux Klan and Nazi ideologies are the moral equivalents of civilized nations.

Her subsequent ‘arguments,’ directed not at Hamas but at Israel, America and other civilized nations, are irrelevant, because the arguments are illusory. Diplomacy and civilized behaviors are and can be expected from civilized nations. Those behaviors cannot be expected from nations for whom diplomacy and civilized behavior are not embedded in the culture. Those nations for whom the ideologies of the KKK and Nazis are not only culturally acceptable, but even promulgated, are not civilized nations.

It isn’t just Hamas. Hizbollah too, shares those same ideologies. Arab author Amal Saad-Ghorayeb makes clear that Hizbollah sees the conflict with Israel as an existential one, having nothing to do with politics or borders. Indeed, Nasrallah, Fadlalah, et al, have made clear that the existence of Israel, with any borders, will not be tolerated. Nasrallah himself noted, that

“…if they [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.

Like Hamas, Hizbollah takes great pleasure in referring to Jews as the offspring of animals. These ‘truths’ are taught in Hamas schools. Even Mickey Mouse is employed by the beasts (with no apologies from Hamas) to teach the message of violent jihad. See PMW for more delightful example of Palestinian racism, violence and bigotry.

The fact that the author of People’s Geography takes no issue with the blatant and deliberate efforts of the Palestinians to engage in such behavior makes her no more than the equivalent of an apologist for the Ku Klux Klan or the Nazi Party. Her problems are with civilized people- it is they, and not the Klan or Nazi ideology, that are at issue in her world. Like legions of a certain kind before her, she is saying. ‘the Jews bring it on themselves.’

Does the author of PG really want to engage in a comparison between Israel and the Arab world? Does she really need to read verbatim transcripts or see video taken from Arab TV and other media sources and compare them with what are Israeli ideologies? Does she really want to discuss the institutionalized bigotry and hate that has become a foundation stone of Arab identity?

The PG author remarked that Israel too, had institutionalized hate. She notes

‘Israel’s family reunion act that disbars Israeli Arabs from living with their own spouses if the are from the OPT.’

How does she imagine that happened? How is it that Israel only managed to recently enact such a law? If the Israelis were indeed as racist and as bigoted as their neighbors, why did they only institute that law now? Is it possible that it had something to do with security? Is it possible that there were instances if Palestinians using their access into Israel to commit illegal acts, or act as mules to bring in illegal weapons?

Recall the ‘civilized’ Palestinian who packed explosives into his pregnant Irish wife’s bags without telling her- before putting her on a airplane. The Israelis have plenty to be concerned about- what do you say to beasts who would send mentally retarded children as suicide bombers- and proudly take credit? What do you say about the beasts that send in young women as suicide bombers to ‘reclaim their honor’?

She goes on to decry the UN Security Council, implying that the General Assembly be given more credibility, suggesting that Arab and other dysfunctional regimes be given even more influence at the UN. In what is the height of moral relativism, PG suggests suggests that beast like regimes have an equal place at the table of civilized nations. Blocks of dysfunctional, racist, bigoted and broken down nations that refuse democracy at home become it’s greatest defender when it can be used to undermine the agendas of civilized nations. The UN Committee on Human Rights is an example of what that means. Is the author of PG suggesting that the nations led by beasts, that oppress their own people, be given credibility and the same status as the great democracies?

The question of course, is rhetorical. Of course she means just that. By insisting that the Palestinians and Arab world are equivalent to the Israelis and Americans, and that those beast like regimes are the equivalent in credibility to western democracies, well, that is exactly what she endorses.

PG says that MEMRI and MEMRITV ‘had been discredited.’ More claptrap, more deceit.

Of course, she cannot be blamed for her allergy to reality. After all, she must make that accusation without substantiation because MEMRI is a mirror-and no amount of clown makeup can transform what is reflected back. The blatant anti Jewish sentiments and Holocaust denial are mainstreamed in the Arab world. How inconvenient it must be to make the an accusation that ‘discredits’ MEMRI with out substantiation! Why not ‘show us the money’ when it comes to MEMRI- and explain, with references, how posting transcripts, video and audio tapes of Palestinian and Arab world media is ‘discredited’?

PG goes on to more ‘victimization whining’,

“There are Palestinian Christians too, you know. They too are being persecuted and discriminated against in the occupation.”

Ever aversive to the truth, PG does not mention who was committing the vast majority of persecuting! If she did tell the truth, she would come clean and address who is persecuting them and why they are leaving. She would address the growing problem of rape of Christians by their Muslim neighbors, the forced sale or even appropriation of Christian property and a myriad of other crimes committed against Christians by the ‘noble beasts’ PG is so enamored with.

PG claims to ‘recognize’ Israel. How magnanimous! Of course, that is irrelevant. Her personal beliefs (including those that defend the bigots and racists), are irrelevant. Hamas, et al, do not recognize Israel and and makes no secret of that. That truth has not changed, despite PG’s atempt you attempt at deceit to imply otherwise.

In fact, the western democracies and most of the nations of the world do have diplomatic relations with Israel. There are world class educational, scientific and cultural exchanges, as well as medical and humanitarian cooperation agreements. That the Arab world and other dysfunctional regimes refuses to acknowledge Israel’s existence is of no loss or consequence to Israel. Those regimes and their oppressed citizens are the losers, not Israel.

Who the Palestinians and Arabs have become is quite clear. See this:

“GAZA is becoming the Mogadishu of the Mediterranean,” said one Palestinian official who refused to be named. “People thrown off the rooftops of 10-storey buildings, Palestinians shooting other Palestinians at point blank, others shot in front of their families. So Hamas is in control but do they really think people won’t forget what has happened given our culture of pay-back and revenge?”

“While Hamas has the ability to keep the gangs in control, that is not the problem. It’s whether they will be able to ensure the hospitals have enough supplies, people have food and that salaries are being paid.

“And are they going to talk to the Israelis about reopening the border crossings to get aid in and also ensure that water and electricity is still supplied to Gaza?”

What is usually left unsaid is that the Palestinians are dependent on Israel for electricity, health care and even sanitation infrastructures. For decades, the Palestinians could not be bothered to take responsibility for their own community (and that despite the billions in foreign aid each year, for decades).

By the way, consider this, too. It seems civilized Palestinians know where to turn to when the fighting rages on- Israel.

Let’s also look at the deceit PG attempted to foist when addressing the issue of Gaza greenhouses that were destroyed by Palestinians. Predictably, in her earlier comments, she attempts to blame Israel for the events we all saw on TV.

Lets see if we can clear up the ‘misunderstanding’ you seem to have on the Gaza greenhouse deal.

Let’s start here
:

“Hoping to save the jobs of thousands of Palestinian farm workers, international donors enlisted by former World Bank President James Wolfensohn paid Jewish settlers $14 million on the eve of the pullout from Gaza. The hope was that they would leave behind at least 800 acres of greenhouses, which grew flowers and produce, to be ready for September planting.

But that hope was jeopardized when Palestinian looters damaged many of the greenhouses, stripping them bare, for instance, of computers that the settlers used to monitor crops. Irrigation pumps were stolen, electricity networks paralyzed, and protective sheeting for the hothouses were torn.

Greenhouses covering one-fourth of the land were damaged during looting after the handover, according to Palestinian officials. The inherited farms have the potential to nearly double the output of the local agriculture industry, the largest domestic private-sector income engine in Gaza’s $1 billion economy.”

To be fair, the Palestinians didn’t only destroy the greenhouses. There is some lovely video of Palestinians going wild as they destroyed synagogues. The imagery was quite telling.

As for the greenhouses that were damaged by Israeli shelling earlier on- they weren’t part of the Wolfensohn deal and they were not Palestinian property. That said, even had the greenhouses been spared damage by the Israelis, they would have been looted and destroyed anyway.

Lastly (and finally speaking in the singular voice now), your calling me a racist is particularly amusing. I have posted on many occasions, defending Arabs and even Palestinians, blaming their plight on the dysfunctional beasts that have led them.

You’re the one defending the beasts for whom terror, slaughter and murder are openly referred to a form of political expression. You’re the one the one defending those for whom KKK and Nazi ideologies are taught and welcomed.

I’m not the problem.

You are.

If you take umbrage at that that, consider the words of some Muslim reformists and progressives:

A reformist Saudi author:

“When your young children come home from school and tell you that they learned that day that the ‘others’ are despicable people who do not deserve any respect, acceptance, or appreciation, and that God commanded them to hate ['the others'] and to fight them, at all times and everywhere – this is an institutionalized plan for disseminating hatred. Don’t worry, this is not a Western conspiracy against you; this is a product of your own country…

“When all the years of your life are stolen from you… and your vitality, your mind, and your soul are wrested away, all in the name of religion, customs, traditions… and an outmoded heritage – and you know that this has usurped your right to life – don’t weep and don’t cry, and don’t imagine that this is a Western conspiracy against you; these are actions and behaviors that are a product of your own country.

“When everything around you, around the clock, reminds you that you are a worthless human being in the view of the political or religious powers, and that you and the soil on which your shoe treads are equals, for the sole reason of your being the citizen of an Arab land – this is the height of arbitrary [rule]. But know that this is not a Western conspiracy that has been hatched against you; this is a product of your own country…

“When the number of those wanting to emigrate is twice that of those who wish to live in the country, and everyone [who can] takes up their belongings and leaves, and there is no place for intellectuals, artists, or even for regular people – you should be very sad, because this is premeditated debasement and deportation. But please don’t think that this is a Western conspiracy that has been hatched against you; this is a product of your own country.

“When the political and religious establishment ignites your feelings over things that take place beyond the borders of your country, and urges you to demonstrate your rage… over what is going on here or there, and you hold up signs, and organize marches, and walk in long demonstrations throughout the day and the night, and you forcefully condemn and criticize – and then after the event ends, you feel tired and sluggish, and you go home to your sagging, broken-down house, and there isn’t a slice of bread there to give to your young children – but you don’t have the right to go out and protest, or march, or even to write a two-line petition – this is the worst kind of iniquity. And this is not a Western conspiracy that has been hatched against you; this is a product of your own country…”

The Root Cause of Terrorism is the Culture of Hate:

“…I don’t understand the personality split in some people; they depict the terrorist in Iraq as a martyr and a resistance fighter…How can we term someone a martyr when he blows up schools and hospitals, does not respect the sanctity of religious sites, and, worse, blows himself up in restaurants and bus stations full of workers?!…

“Why has the terrorist violence increased? And why has it reached a level of such madness and barbarism? Why aren’t we managing to deal with it and handle it? Why is there a rise in terror operations targeting innocents?!

“In my view, the [answer] lies in our inability to explain the phenomenon of terrorism, and to break it down into its structural internal causes and into the environmental elements that support its existence. [This inability] emanates from the following three main causes that are common in the Arab arena as explanations for terrorism:

“The first is the discourse of denial… that is, exonerating Muslims from [any] accusation of [perpetrating] terror operations, and [instead] accusing their enemies – usually the Mossad and U.S. intelligence. An extensive sector of prominent clerics, intellectual elites, and the masses are still convinced that 9/11 was a Mossad or U.S. intelligence operation… Likewise, many deny that Al-Zarqawi [ever] existed, and blame Israel and the U.S. for what is going on in Iraq.

“The second cause is the discourse of defensiveness, as manifested in repeated statements that terrorism has no religion, homeland or nationality, but is a transient virus that is alien [to the Arab world] – or that Islam is innocent [of terrorism].

“The third cause is the discourse of justification, which is extremely common in the religious and media outlets. This discourse tries to link terrorism with political factors, international conflicts or internal socio-economic factors – saying that terrorism is the outcome of political repression by some regimes that strangle freedoms and are hostile to democracy or that terrorism is a response to American and Western injustices, to the policy of discrimination [against Muslims], to the blind pro-Israel bias, and to the global conspiracy against the Muslims…

“There are also those who excuse terrorism because of unemployment and poverty, or use as an excuse the spread of corruption, permissiveness, women’s adorning themselves in public, [and women's] attaining political rights and being appointed to senior positions, which is considered perverse in the eyes of those [who excuse terrorism].

“All these excuses are baseless. First, we are not the only nation that suffers from injustice – after all, nations and peoples in Africa, America, and Asia suffer from graver injustice than we.

From an Egyptian author:

“What is going on now in the Gaza Strip, since Israel withdrew from it, is a clear example that exposes the faults of what we have done. The domestic infighting among brothers of the same homeland, wretched from the occupation and wretched from the yielding of their culture, is too great and too dangerous to be [just] the result of differences of opinion among the factions, or the absence of a strong central government, or even of what they call the weapons anarchy.

“It is definitely all of this. But the most dangerous thing about this, and that which the bilateral meetings between the sides, or meetings under the auspices of a third party… or even the folkloric Arab League summits have been unable to overcome, is that the all-against-all infighting and its basic code have become the mental and psychological makeup of the Palestinian people, as a natural result of the predominant discourse of hostility and incitement. [This discourse] has been adopted by Palestinians of all persuasions and in all the factions – religious, pan-Arab revolutionary, and leftist. It is a discourse whose aim was sowing hatred, having recourse to violence, and enjoying spilling blood.

“At first it was directed against the so-called the Israeli enemy, and it uprooted any possibility of or tendency towards rational mutual comprehension or of recourse to discussion, dialogue, and negotiation – what is known as peaceful resolution – and it raised the slogan of ‘clinging to the choice of resistance.’ But one clings to goals, not methods, and resistance (meaning armed resistance) cannot, psychologically and culturally, be the only choice for peoples to achieve their goals, without there being any alternative…

“Perhaps this is [an example of] the only [psychological] state in which the goal and the means are seen to become united in the choice of violence. This occurs when someone is overcome with the spirit of vengeance…

“The culture and psychology of violence has been able to take possession of the Palestinian people for two reasons. The first is that the discourse of violence had already managed to be the only one on the scene, which was emptied of any counter-discourse when the rational thinkers fled or were forced to keep out of sight – [either] out of desperation or in order to preserve the wellbeing of themselves and their families amidst the vast flood of feelings of violence that began to sweep away everything in its path.

On the Palestinian ‘Right of Return,’ by a Saudi:

In the first article, published March 5, 2007 and titled “On the Impossible [Idea] of the Right of Return,” Al-Sweidan wrote: “…The slogan ‘right of return’… which is brandished by Palestinian organizations, is perceived as one of the greatest difficulties and as the main obstacle to renewing and advancing the peace process between the Israelis and the Palestinians based on the Road Map and a two-state solution.

“It is patently obvious that uprooting the descendents of the refugees from their current homes in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and other countries, and returning them to Israel, to the West Bank, and to Gaza is a utopian ideal and [a recipe for] anarchy. More than that – it is an idea that cannot be implemented, not only because it will upset the demographic [balance] in a dangerous and destructive manner, and will have [far-reaching] political, economic and social ramifications in such a small and constrained geographical area, but [mainly] because the return [of the refugees] stands in blatant contradiction to Israel’s right as a sovereign [state], while the Palestinian Authority lacks the infrastructure to absorb such a large number of immigrants as long as the peace process… is not at its peak…”

“Clearly, the refugee problem is mainly the result of cumulative mistakes made by the countries where [the refugees] live… such as Syria and Lebanon, which have isolated the refugees in poor and shabby camps lacking the most basic conditions for a dignified human existence. Instead of helping them to become fully integrated in their new society, they let them become victims of isolation and suffering… Later, the worst of all happened when Arab intelligence agencies used the Palestinian organizations as a tool for settling scores in internal Arab conflicts that probably have nothing to do with the Palestinians…

“The Israelis, on the other hand, were civilized and humane in their treatment of the thousands of Jewish refugees who had lost their property, homes and businesses in the Arab countries, and who were forced to emigrate to Israel after the 1948 war. The Israeli government received them, helped them, and provided them with all the conditions [they needed] to become integrated in their new society…

“The lies of the Syrian Ba’th regime, and its trading in slogans like ‘right of return,’ ‘steadfastness,’ ‘resistance,’ ‘national struggle,’ and all the other ridiculous [slogans], are evident from the fact that, to this day, dozens of Palestinian families [remain] stranded in the desert on the Syrian-Iraqi border, because the Syrian regime refuses to let them enter its horrifying Ba’th republic and return to the Yarmouk [refugee] camp.”

Shall I go on?

In the final analysis, peace in the region is around the corner.

* Cessation of hostilities and terror
* Secure borders.
* Diplomatic recognition of Israel.

Those are the minimum requirements as noted by Israel, the UN, the US, and the EU.

Which of those requirements are too onerous?

As has oft been repeated, you can put an ape in a tuxedo and teach the ape to dance and even use a fork. In the end however, the only one who believes that the tuxedo is camouflage, is the ape.

Nice dance, PG, nice dance.

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11 Responses to “Deceit, Denial And Dances”


  1. Dear oh dear, methinks the bigot and Israel-ideologue protesteth too much. The target of your bile does not at all take umbrage, that would actually mean you said anything of real substance to be concerned about. I addressed each point in the Israel thread, and this addresses the Mickey Mouse quite well.

    “People’s Geography has noted that we did not address all the points she made in her various comments. That is true. We are certainly under no obligation to address all the blatant distortions and deliberate deceit.”

    Your failure is not a lack of obligation but a lack of ability to address the truth of the matter. It is on public record, people can judge for themselves.

    I had a reply to the last thread, but I can see that I need not bother continuing what I thought could be a civil conversation. Again, I do pity you but am not at all surprised.

    Thank you, this shrill post is a badge of honour for those of us who work for justice, dignity and equality for all.

  2. SC&A Says:

    LOLOL- YOU defend Hamas and the culture society that has embedded racism and bigotry and you cal ME a bigot?

    You believe that someone who DEFENDS those that share the same racist and bigoted ideologies as those of the KKK and Nazis can have a ‘civilized’ conversation?

    LAUGHABLE!

    Perhaps in YOUR world, defending bigots and racists of the KKK and Nazi ilk qualifies as “justice, dignity and equality for all.”

    Clearly, it is you that “lack of ability to address the truth of the matter. It is on public record, people can judge for themselves.”

    It for you that the public record of ‘SLAUGHTER THE JEW’ and “WE WILL FINISH WHAT HITLER STARTED!” is what you are defending.

    You call yourself a Christian, but like everything else, that is deceitful.

    Christians do not ally themselves with racists or racist ideologies.

    Christians do not defend the bigotry and racism of the KKK or Nazis.

    Christians do not deceive with the intent to just6ify beast-like behaviors.

    You may be a lot of things, but ‘Christian’ isn’y one them.

    You can take heart though- there are religions that would openly espouse the values, hate and violence you are so intent on defending. You might feel more at home.

    Know what I mean? Sure you do!

    For the rest of us, defending that kind of ideology does not.

    In any event, let’s make this simple:

    * Cessation of hostilities and terror
    * Secure borders.
    * Diplomatic recognition of Israel.

    Those are the minimum requirements as noted by Israel, the UN, the US, and the EU.

    Which of those requirements are too onerous for the Palestinians?

    Finally,. I want to thank you for your response.

    You have inspired another post.

  3. Michael A. Says:

    PG: One does not dignify blatant stupidity with a civil response. Your maintenance of a facade of politeness over your anti-Semitism does not render it acceptable.

    The fact depresses me that there are so many in the Western World who are actually WILLING to consider the merits of an ideology far more soul-crushing, individuality-denying, misogynistic and bloodthirsty than anything that Western civilization has produced on its own. Which is to say, all politeness aside, that you have to be an utter moron to be on their side.

  4. Jon Says:

    Reads as pretty juvenile to me. I read through Peoples Geography point-by-point rebuttal, and if there’s one thing she’s guilty of, its being too nice. If the Israelis withdrew from the area, weren’t the former synagogues going to be destroyed anyway? How easy you forget the countless destruction of thousands of Palestinian hones, the looting of the Iraqi museums as Peoples Geography mentioned. The author of this site is obviously not accustomed to being challenged so effectively, only to having a closed circular loop of self-referential, mostly anonymous commenters who mirror back his hatred. You’ve been trounced.

  5. SC&A Says:

    LOLOL- I’ve been ‘trounced’?

    PG predicates her entire ideology with deceit and I’ve been ‘trounced’? On what planet is the statement that Hamas has ‘recognized’ Israel a reality? On what planet is the drivel PG spouts anything other than a defense of of some of the most bigoted, racist and dysfunctional lunatics out there?

    Your concern for real estate is touching. How about a bit of concern for the victims of suicide bombings? Only in your world is real estate of more value than human life.

    The Lebanese have been going after the Palestinians, with indiscriminate shelling for over a month. The Palestinians themselves refer to Gaza as Mogadishu and they are lining up to leave Gaza and head for the safety and security of Israel. Church compounds have been overrun and looted.

    Over 30% of Palestinians now want to revive the Jordan option- a return of Gaza to Egypt and the West bak to Jordan, because it has become clear the Palestinians are incapable of forming a civilized nation.

    PG is guilty of being too nice? LAUGHABLE. She is defending Hamas, et al- organizations that espouse racism, bigotry and hate.

    Let me quote that Saudi reformist again (not that he is a smart as YOU, of course):

    “When your young children come home from school and tell you that they learned that day that the ‘others’ are despicable people who do not deserve any respect, acceptance, or appreciation, and that God commanded them to hate [’the others’] and to fight them, at all times and everywhere – this is an institutionalized plan for disseminating hatred. Don’t worry, this is not a Western conspiracy against you; this is a product of your own country…

    “When all the years of your life are stolen from you… and your vitality, your mind, and your soul are wrested away, all in the name of religion, customs, traditions… and an outmoded heritage – and you know that this has usurped your right to life – don’t weep and don’t cry, and don’t imagine that this is a Western conspiracy against you; these are actions and behaviors that are a product of your own country.

    “When everything around you, around the clock, reminds you that you are a worthless human being in the view of the political or religious powers, and that you and the soil on which your shoe treads are equals, for the sole reason of your being the citizen of an Arab land – this is the height of arbitrary [rule]. But know that this is not a Western conspiracy that has been hatched against you; this is a product of your own country…

    “When the number of those wanting to emigrate is twice that of those who wish to live in the country, and everyone [who can] takes up their belongings and leaves, and there is no place for intellectuals, artists, or even for regular people – you should be very sad, because this is premeditated debasement and deportation. But please don’t think that this is a Western conspiracy that has been hatched against you; this is a product of your own country.

    “When the political and religious establishment ignites your feelings over things that take place beyond the borders of your country, and urges you to demonstrate your rage… over what is going on here or there, and you hold up signs, and organize marches, and walk in long demonstrations throughout the day and the night, and you forcefully condemn and criticize – and then after the event ends, you feel tired and sluggish, and you go home to your sagging, broken-down house, and there isn’t a slice of bread there to give to your young children – but you don’t have the right to go out and protest, or march, or even to write a two-line petition – this is the worst kind of iniquity. And this is not a Western conspiracy that has been hatched against you; this is a product of your own country…”

    The good news is that now PG has a dance partner.

    Congratulations.


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  7. Ed Darrell Says:

    It was Winston Churchill who said to jaw-jaw is better than war-war. Wise counsel from the 20th century’s greatest conservative, now forgotten by pretenders to the title.

    Hamas has to be included in talks on peace, but of course, there must first be talks on peace. Refusing to talk, in favor of war, is what Churchill warned us against.

    Interesting: Today’s quote at the Churchill Centre also applies: “We must abandon all bitterness and all wish for revenge.”
    http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1


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  9. SC&A Says:

    Ed, you are presupposing there is a kind of moral equality between the Israelis and those who insist on their destruction and demise.

    Any way you cut it, the aforementioned bigot has yet to be truthful on the matter, stating for example that Hamas has recognized Israel- a bloatant lie she refuses to acknowledge. She also insists that notwithstanding the fact that Hamas charter demands Jihad against Jews, or accepts the Protocols as gospel, that Hamas are indeed civilized and worthy of support. That is not only absurd, it is an endorsement of racism and bigoted behavior.

    Hamas has now issued open threats to the Gaza Christian community, no longer needing threats of the veiled variety.

    The Israelis and civilized world aren’t eschewing peace talks in favor of war. They are in fact acting in self defense against beasts that openly and regularly make clear their desire to extract blood.

    She can’t hide her own bigotry. As noted, apes can be dressed in tuxedos.

  10. Ed Darrell Says:

    So it’s blog debating points you wish to accumulate. Excuse me. I had mistaken you for someone who gives a damn about the Middle East.

    Yes, Hamas is stupid. But they are people, they exist, and failing to recognize that they are human (your ape in a tuxedo epithet, for example) is one of the key things that prolongs this conflict.

    Refusing to meet with Hamas to tell them that they must change their charter is an insult to those Palestinians who DO recognize Israel, and who have some clout to get Hamas to change.

    You guys are talking past one another. Go take a deep breath and see if you can tell the type of blood that is most being spilled on which side — A? B? O? Which blood type is less worthy and so can be spilled with abandon?

    We were weeks, perhaps days away from a peace agreement in January 2001. Six and a half years of the U.S.’s refusing to talk has got us exactly what?

    Go put the tuxedo away. See if you can sell it. We need bandages instead.

  11. SC&A Says:

    Tim, the entire Hamas political platform is predicated on hate. That is not stupid- that is evil.

    Institutionalized is a part of their culture.

    See this:

    https://sigmundcarlandalfred.wordpress.com/the-poison/


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